Interview with Ray Hadley, 2GB

RAY HADLEY: Speaking of a fair go, the Deputy Prime Minister’s on the line. Barnaby Joyce, good morning to you.

BARNABY JOYCE: Good morning, Ray. How are you, mate?

RAY HADLEY: Not bad. I was thinking of you this morning, and I’ll tell you why. I got a note from well-placed sources in the New South Wales police department. I believe as you and I are speaking the minister is talking about an operational response to the Hunter protest. That’s why I want to talk to you.

BARNABY JOYCE: I’m just over these people, these sort of, you know, Gretas on steroids deciding that they can go up and shut down New South Wales’s biggest export. We live on terms of trade, therefore, everything in your house that you look at – your watch, your car, your fuel in your car, your radio, your phone, your fridge – it all comes in from overseas and somebody, somewhere must be sticking something on a boat and sending it in the other direction otherwise we don’t have terms of trade and your currency’s worth nothing. At the same time, each one of these trains, coal trains they stop, has about a million dollars’ worth of coal on it, about $100,000 worth of royalties. So, what they’re stopping is the payments to your police force, your hospitals, your schools, the tax from it that’s stopping the payments for your pensions, your NDIS for people with disabilities, your Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, your Defence Force, your road – people fixing your roads. Because they believe they have a right to strap themselves on a scaffold – probably on social security themselves – and their view reigns supreme, and because they think they’re special people, that they can break the law when other people can’t. Whilst they’re stopping the coal trains, Ray, they’re stopping the wheat trains. We’ve got a flood on. We’re trying to move the product. We’re trying to get the cash back to the farmers. But, oh, no, that stops as well. And they’re stopping the commuters, people trying to get to work. I mean, who’d want to support people having a job when you can hang yourself off an scaffold off a railway line or get on board a train and start trying to shovel it off. I mean, good luck with it – it’s about 80 tonnes of carriage.

RAY HADLEY: Just on this, Barnaby, it’s been going on in Queensland and New South Wales to a lesser extent for years. I mean, Extinction Rebellion, you know, are one of many organisations protesting against a whole range of things. Young people, as you say, basically unemployed, university students in the main who rarely attend university, but when they come before the courts and – you know, the Queensland police let them hang there for hours – I don’t know whether it’s under government instruction – and, you know, block roads and the rest of it – now they’re blocking rails in New South Wales – they come before a court and they said, “Now, look, don’t you dare do this again.” They’re back the following week and it’s, “Don’t you dare do this again.” There’s got to be some law in place, and that’s why the Police Minister might be talking to operational police and hopefully to his Attorney-General, about putting greater penalties in place and locking the people up so they can stop doing the same thing day after day after day.

BARNABY JOYCE: Imagine if you hit them with the bill of the money that they’ve stopped because it didn’t go through. If you say, “Actually, you stopped 20 trains. There’s 20 times $100,000. If you can just give us $2 million bucks so we can come and start collecting your furniture and selling it to see if we can cover some of this,” their attitude might change. Because it’s – people say, “Oh, I don’t like coal.” But, I tell you what, you like your hospital, you like your school, you like your pension, you like your NDIS – and so you should. That’s the standard of living our great nation affords you. But we can’t afford anything if you’ve got no cash in the bank.

RAY HADLEY: I did get a funny thing this morning about a bloke – I don’t know if you’ve seen it on social media, but one of the listeners sent it to me. It’s about a – looks like a good old bloke – and I won’t name him – but he said that he’s going to give up drink by 2050. He’s 73 at the moment. He said, “Now, what I’m going to do, I’m going to cut down on the drink.” He said, “But I’m not going to do it till 2050.” And he said, “Any time I don’t drink,” he said, “I’m going to take that as a credit to top up again on the lead-up to 2050.” He said, “I’ll be 101 by the time I get there but, by gee, I’m going to have some fun.”

BARNABY JOYCE: Well, yeah. Let’s just say politely I can understand where he’s coming from. So many people– they get in involved with the zeitgeist but they don’t understand the price, you know. And our nation, our biggest export is iron ore, then coal, then gas then daylight, daylight, daylight, more daylight, then you’ve probably got gold, you’ve probably get education – but that’s been hit for six by COVID – you’ve got your agricultural products coming in. But, you know, if you don’t have product going in a boat in one direction, then all the stuff around you is going to – while your listening to this radio program look at all the stuff around you and ask yourself this question: was it made in Australia or made somewhere else? Now if it was made somewhere else, something has to go in the boat and go off to the other else to pay for it, otherwise why would anybody want your currency? What on earth have you got to sell?

RAY HADLEY: Yeah. I’ve just got this thing up, and this fella, he’s 73. “It’s not realistic to transition to zero alcohol overnight.” He’s switching to non-alcoholic beverages. “It requires a steady, phased approach where nothing changes for at least 20 years.” He said what he’ll do is bring forward drinking credits earned the days he hasn’t drunk over the past 40 years, meaning the actual date for consumption may actually be 2060. He’s got the capture and storage method down pat, he says, in relation to stopping drinking by the time he gets to 101. If it wasn’t so serious I guess it would be funny.

BARNABY JOYCE: God bless him if he’s around at 2050 and honours his commitment. I had a look at him on the internet as well. Seems like a great fella. But, geez, you and myself, Ray, and a lot other people, if we get to worrying about how much we’re drinking at 2050, then my advice is keep drinking because it’s doing you the world of good.

RAY HADLEY: All right, then. I’ll let our listeners know what happens with the Police Minister talking to his officers about what they do with these people who are disrupting, as you point out quite correctly, not just coal trains, grain trains as well. They need to think about what they’re doing.

BARNABY JOYCE: Grain trains and commuters and people just trying to get to work. Okay.

RAY HADLEY: All the best to you. Thanks, mate.

BARNABY JOYCE: See you, Ray.